"The writing life, it's a little bit rollercoaster-y. There are these dizzying highs and these crushing lows. It's not like you have a job with a specific list of tasks and you go and you do it and then you punch out. It's always with you." Zibby is joined by New York Times best-selling author Lisa Unger to talk about her nineteenth novel, Last Girl Ghosted. The two discuss how Lisa's mom's love of books—and lack of boundaries—led Lisa to become a writer, where she finds the inspiration for each of her books, and what phrase should be on a gift pillow for fellow thriller writers.